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What in the Bible?!
Have you ever read the Bible and wondered, "King David did what?!" Or, have you come across the passage where Lot's daughters get him drunk and then sleep with him? How about the story of the younger brother that makes himself more hairy in order to trick his dying father into blessing him over his older brother?! And, don't get us started on Revelations! Oh wait, it's Revelation! These are only a few of the examples written in scripture that will have any new reader asking, "What in the Bible?!" In this podcast, we are two sisters reading through the Bible for the first time. Our goal is to share this experience with our listeners and have a lighthearted discussion over some of these controversial but often comical questions. Our hope is for our listeners to realize that reading and understanding the Bible is hard especially when reading it for the first time. It's okay to have questions or struggle with passages that make your eyebrows raise and your mind wonder, "What did I just read?!" We hope you will join us in this journey of working through difficult questions and growing in our relationship with Christ as we read and seek to understand God's Word.
What in the Bible?!
A Tale of Two Lines
The story of Cain and Abel reveals how quickly sin progressed from disobedience to murder in just one generation. Sisters Audrey and Jenna explore Genesis 4, discovering profound insights about heart posture, worship, and the consequences of unchecked jealousy.
When Eve gives birth to Cain, she immediately acknowledges God's role in creating new life—a stark contrast to her previous self-reliance in the Garden. This spiritual growth sets the stage for a chapter full of revelations about humanity's relationship with God. We discover that Abel's offering pleased God not because of what he gave, but because of his faithful heart behind the gift. Meanwhile, Cain's casual approach to worship leads to rejection and anger.
God's warning to Cain contains one of scripture's most powerful images: "Sin is crouching at your door; it desires to have you, but you must rule over it." This language reveals both the predatory nature of temptation and humanity's God-given authority to overcome it—a spiritual principle that remains profoundly relevant today.
The sisters trace the development of two distinct family lines: Cain's descendants who introduce polygamy, boastful violence, and the first musical instruments, versus Seth's godly lineage who "began to call on the name of the Lord." Through careful examination of biblical names and their meanings, Audrey and Jenna uncover how these parallel genealogies establish a pattern of spiritual warfare that continues throughout history.
Whether you're new to Bible study or a seasoned reader, this episode offers fresh perspectives on worship, sin, mercy, and the subtle ways our choices echo through generations. Listen in as these two sisters bring warmth, humor, and thoughtful analysis to one of Genesis's most pivotal chapters.
Episode Extras:
Does Frequency matter? Worship, Sound, and Spiritual Warfare with Laura Sanger (Link below)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nY90TncKQIk
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Hey everyone, it's Audrey from what in the Bible. We want to thank you for listening to another episode and give you a quick update. Unfortunately, we ran into some technical difficulties with our microphones that affected the sound quality during recording. We felt confident publishing this episode despite the setback and we are working diligently to fix the issue before we drop episode six. We hope you still enjoy this episode and thank you again for listening. Hello everyone, welcome to what in the Bible. We are two sisters reading through Genesis to Revelation for the first time and asking the question that every new believer is thinking what in the Bible? I'm one of your hosts, audrey.
Speaker 2:And hello, hello everybody. On this week's episode we are going to be going over our reading of Genesis, chapter four. This was a pretty big chapter. Both of us ended up being, you know, pretty surprised at everything that we got out of this chapter.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I thought I was going to like blow through this like Cain and Abel. Yeah, okay, cain kills Abel, like you know, onto the flood, right, right. But yeah, it turned out to be like, oh Lord, oh you cooking today.
Speaker 2:Yeah, oh, okay, I see you Cooking today.
Speaker 1:Lord yeah, that's one of our favorite sayings. One of our friends likes to say that, and he's sprinkling paprika on everything.
Speaker 2:Shout out to you, girl, he does, spicing it up.
Speaker 1:It has been a couple weeks, though I think we can say for both of us, it's you know. I think just life does not stop, despite all the things you know and gosh, I would love for this podcast to just be our one and only project. You know work. I would love to do this full time, but you know there's other obligations or responsibilities. But we're here, we're doing it. Yes.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, we're here. Well, on that note, just because you know, talking about our schedules and and how it can be very challenging and how our lives don't stop, just because we are doing this podcast, to be very challenging, and how our lives don't stop just because we are doing this podcast. It has been quite challenging to be able to work around each other's schedules. You know, we were just talking about how everybody's super busy and how everyone is just as busy as the next person, you know, in their own way, and do you have kind of a little praise report to mention about that Are?
Speaker 1:you holding this back A little bit, yeah, well, now I'm like it comes up and we're like hashing out all the stuff.
Speaker 2:There are slates before we start, yeah, but you know we like to keep a few things just so that we can talk about them on the podcast. And earlier this week, audrey and I were trying to figure out when we could record and it almost seemed impossible, like it was just flat out not going to happen for a few weeks. And you know, god made a way. But on the day that we were trying to talk about it and figure it out, it was just, it was very stressful trying to to work it in and you know I was praying on it like just God, like we want to do it, we want to help people. I'm feeling like I don't know how at this point, I don't know how to fit it in, I don't know how we can make it happen. And, kid you not, like a half hour later I got a text from a family member that my husband and I had just recently visited and somehow we started talking about the podcast. And I don't even remember how it came up. It was just a kind of organic conversation and it went in there and she's like oh my gosh, what are you and your sister doing a podcast about? And I was like, well, I was a little bit nervous to tell her, just because I I I've never really talked with her about God or or religion or church or anything like that. And I told her, you know, my sister and I started a podcast about reading the Bible because we, you know, struggled and we needed help and we thought it'd be useful for others to to talk about it and listen. And she was like, oh my gosh, she took it so wonderfully. She's like that is so amazing and I would love to listen to that, because I've been, you know, kind of trying to maybe go back to church and you know, I grew up going to church and all these things that like I've never even spoken with her about, didn't even know. So I sent her the link to the podcast and so, anyways, earlier this week she texted me. I was like, hey, jenna, like I just finished listening to your first episode and, oh, my goodness, I love it.
Speaker 2:I went to church on Sunday after listening and I can't wait to catch up to the other episodes and honestly, it was just kind of one of those moments where I feel like God was like you're like you're going to do what you guys are setting out to do. I'm going to make it happen for you guys. You know, and it really rejuvenated me of like we have to find a way to keep going, because we're not you know, guys, we're not worried about how many followers we have or how many listeners we have, or you know, we're just trying to reach one person, help one person, encourage one person. Our whole goal is, like Audrey's hat says right now, like our church's motto, connecting people to Jesus, and that's really what we're doing.
Speaker 2:So, whether that's our kids or another family member or friend or somebody that we don't even know, it just it means the world to us to encourage anyone. So I thought that that was really neat, because I was over there like self-spiraling, I'm like I don't know how we're going to make this work, I don't know how we're going to fit into these schedules. It's just so tasking and all the things. And then God was like look what you're doing, look what I'm doing through you, it's not us, it's Him. So I wanted to definitely mention that and just really gives us some encouragement.
Speaker 1:Absolutely. That's so encouraging because, yeah, you can start to get that spiral like how are we going to make this happen on top of everything else? And for the Lord to so quickly answer you know, you're praying on it.
Speaker 1:30 minutes later, boom. You know, like it's just. Thank you, lord, that you're so good that you answer prayers. Thank you that you're always with us. You know, I'm like it's just thank you, lord, that you're so good that you answer prayers. Thank you that you're always with us. You know, we, we pray before every podcast and the Lord was just putting on my heart like I am here. I am here with you, I do not leave you. You may go through low times, you know it may seem like everything is pressing in around you, but put your trust in me, surrender to me. I am here, I'm working and you know, I think this podcast has been particularly challenging. I think for me, because I tend to like overanalyze a lot of things. I overthink. It's become very apparent.
Speaker 1:I mean I always knew this, but it's become very apparent in the last couple of weeks and so because of that, you know, I I have had to step back and literally surrender every episode, every single like prep time, reading you know the chapters and making sure that, like my heart stays in the right place and you know the chapters and making sure that, like my heart stays in the right place and you know what we're speaking about in this podcast is not for our glorification or so that we get followers, like you mentioned, or you know it blows up or whatever the case may be.
Speaker 1:Like that does not, that cannot be the motivating factor. And I start to get like over analytical about, like how many downloads we've had, or you know, like all those things, and like I think my heart's in the right place, like, oh, that's more people, like right, it's being exposed, and like potentially hearing the gospel, hearing our podcast getting connected. But I just, you know it's hard to sometimes walk that fine line of making sure it doesn't dip over into you. You know, being more concerned about the following and like us, you know, judging our success based on that.
Speaker 1:Right yeah, right, but gosh. I love that story. That's so amazing. Thank you, lord. I love it. Keep doing it. Keep working, lord, keep cooking, keep cooking, keep rock saying, keep rock saying. Keep working, lord, keep cooking, keep cooking. Kick rocks Satan, kick rocks, satan. That is going to be our first merch. It is solidified. So I want to start looking at t-shirts and if you're interested, please send us a message or leave a comment, or yeah, let us know so we can get those going if you really want it.
Speaker 2:Can't wait to wear that around yes, we have memory verses as well from last week that we kind of were in the scramble and you know that we would just keep it a surprise until this week audrey and I actually picked the same one which is kind of not surprising, I guess, considering how close we are and our brains do sometimes think a lot alike absolutely oftentimes yeah, yeah, yeah, I agree, do you want?
Speaker 2:to do it. I think you should. Oh, I should definitely lead us being the older sister. Yeah, but you know I want personal advocacy. Maybe we should. Should we try to go at the same time?
Speaker 1:oh no, okay, wait, wait, I don't even review it again.
Speaker 2:Okay, I'm gonna try it, whatever, it's gonna be awful no, you're so good at it it's gonna be fine, okay, okay. So it's genesis 3, 3, 21 the lord god made Governs Garments.
Speaker 1:Garments Of skin for Adam and his wife and clothe them. Good job.
Speaker 2:Yes, and clothe them.
Speaker 1:I always forgot the last part yes, and clothe them All right.
Speaker 2:Well, that was significant to the both of us, just because I think that was such a big Takeaway yes, a big takeaway from the last chapter of we can't fix our own sin. We can't fix our own mess. God is always there to help us clean it up and to protect us always. Yeah.
Speaker 1:Thank you, lauren. Yeah, yeah, because I started to. I think I kind of told you earlier, I started to memorize the part where Adam and Eve were trying to cover up their sin, because in my mind I was thinking, well, that's a good reminder that I shouldn't be doing that, and if I recognize my, you know, recognize that I'm doing that to turn to God. But then I was like, eh, I don't know that I want to like memorize what I should not be doing.
Speaker 1:Memorizing. You know what the Lord is and what he does for us. Yeah, absolutely cool. All right, so you guys, I'm actually really excited talking about cain and abel. There was so much that came out of this for me and I don't know if that's like a personal thing or or if it was just yeah, I don't know. There's a lot more. I did a lot. There's a lot of names in this chapter. Yes, so I did go down a rabbit hole with a lot of the names. Thank goodness.
Speaker 2:I mean you would. I started reading the names at the end and I'm like Audrey's going to cover this. I'm like Matthew.
Speaker 1:I'm like the Matthew and Bucker yeah. I would, I would like, I'm not even going to say who I think I am Peter.
Speaker 2:Oh, my gosh.
Speaker 1:Yes, I know You're totally Simon Peter, oh goodness. Yeah, yes, you are, that's okay, that's alright. He was a solid disciple, the rock on which his faith was the rock that the church was built, that foundation.
Speaker 2:His faith. Yes, so we shall definitely look at all of peter's good qualities.
Speaker 1:She's like imaginary flipping her hair. It's a peter definitely not.
Speaker 2:That's funny.
Speaker 1:Okay, we're all a work in progress, absolutely all right, so, yeah, so I have to give a shout out to our aunt and that's probably why I dove as deeply as I did into these names, which it's going to come up, I think, in the next chapter. No, no, no, yeah, next chapter yes, yes, yes, it does. You know she's been one of our biggest fans from the beginning of this. She's been reaching out and just you know, sharing her love and just how much she enjoys the podcast, and just you know, again, that has meant so much to us to have that feedback and that love and that support. But then you know she's also been sharing some conversations, some videos, some you know other people that have shows, that kind of break down the Bible as well and their thoughts on certain things, and some of what she shared has been pretty profound.
Speaker 1:And so I would actually like to start sharing some of these like outside kind of videos and resources and like the show notes, so that you guys can go back if you want to and watch, because it really is fascinating to see the connection, especially early on in the Bible, like the first few chapters in Genesis, and like we read through all the, all these names and think, like, like the first few chapters of Genesis and like we read through all these names and think like okay, and this is like a line, and like why does this matter? But names in the Bible are significant. So all that to say thank you to our hand for sharing, and yeah, anyway. So where do you?
Speaker 2:want to start. Yeah, oh goodness.
Speaker 1:Should we kind of go through it systematically, like we did last time? Yeah, I feel like it's, I don't know. I feel like it's kind of important here to kind of go through it, because it's like a sequence of events now that has happened, that has led, so it's kind of like yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, no, I think that's a good idea. Okay, All right. What's your first note then? 4-1. 4-1. Of course. Why did I even ask? Why am I not surprised? Oh goodness.
Speaker 1:Well, I just love how she basically says with the help of the Lord, I have brought forth a man, so she is like instantly recognizing God's part and creating new life.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so I really liked that. Yeah, I love that, especially from relying on herself previously. Right, she's really learning from that Right. Right, she was like God gives me everything. Yeah, relying on the Lord. You know, it's a beautiful miracle that God's given us to bring forth life.
Speaker 1:Yeah, well, and you know God doesn't change, that doesn't change. So, like here in 4.1, eve, the mother of what was her title from 3.20? The mother of all the living, eve, the mother of all the living, is in her first, you know, giving birth to her first child. She's acknowledging with the help of the Lord, I have brought forth a man. So this is like the first childbearing example instance. Right, this is the first instance of giving birth to another person ever in creation. Yeah, and the first thing she says is with the help of the lord, and that has been, that's continued throughout time. So anytime a child is conceived, that is with the help of the lord. I didn't look at king's, his name, oh, the meaning of his name. So translates to K'in the name of the first child, and then from its root word, a lance, as in striking fast or spear, and then, if you go further down to the actual root, I think it's pronounced K'un, to strike a musical note, that is, a chant or wail at a funeral. Oh my goodness.
Speaker 1:Lament mourning women. So then I think about like how they used to mourn, like the mourning wailers or whatever at a funeral and someone died. But I think it's, you know, interesting to understand, like this is the first male that was born after creation and his name is.
Speaker 1:It's almost like it's kind of eerie you know, like knowing what happens and what he does, like to be kind of connected to this, and then this will come up later, but the reference here to the striking of a musical note, so note. So our aunt shared a video of this podcast or this show that talks about music and sound and how it relates and how it affects spiritual, like the spiritual realm and the spiritual battles and how Satan has used it to influence people in a negative way. And I'm not going to get so much more into that right now. I think it comes up later, but I will include that link to that video because it is so interesting to see that connection, how sound vibrations and sound waves and how that affects things. When God created the universe, what did he do? He spoke Like he actually used his voice to create. So that's sound, that's vibration. Again, it's just it's you look at it that way and how significant it is.
Speaker 1:It's kind of crazy, and then again like the fact that it's related to Cain and like, like I said, that will come up later, I think. Think just to kind of see how music has been distorted across the centuries and millennia to negatively affect people. Um, all from, you know saint's, saint's plans anyway, oh I believe it. I can't wait to hear more about that all right, obviously from there, or?
Speaker 2:when it goes downhill pretty quickly from there. I think the main thing that I got out of this whole section was obviously your heart posture, church or tithing or whatever the case may be, but or even just submitting things to God. You know it really, god doesn't care about that as as a whole. He cares about your heart behind it and it's just so clearly right here where it just says Cain brought in you know some of the fruits just because he just had to, or just because that's just what they did, or whatever the case, and he just okay, well, I'm just going to give them this because I need to. I did my job from checking that off the list.
Speaker 1:Cool, yeah, I like how the Bible our Bible said Cain brought some Right, like if they didn't specify what kind of Right His. What was it For fruits of the soil or whatnot? You know?
Speaker 2:you didn't, just said some. It didn't say kind right, the largest the best, the sweetest, exactly, you know, the first fruit that he pulled, kind of right, yeah, whatever's nearest or whatever like you could have collected the fruit off the ground right right, they're like okay, well, here you go, because I don't really need this, right, you can have that, you know.
Speaker 2:And then you know, of course, it says that abel gave his, his best, his best of his flock. He gave the. What does it say? He ate the fat portions from the first born, from his flock. So, whatever he the first born, the first almost harvest that he actually reaped from being a I'm probably not saying that, right, this is not a farm, you know, he's a shepherd. But his first um accomplishment, almost you know, his first reward from being a shepherd, he immediately gave to God. No question about it, dear Lord, I just worked hard thinking of all these sheep and finally produced a lamb and it's yours. So I think, and I just think, that that's so important when we're giving, when we're surrendering, when, whatever the case may be like, it's not about the thing, god really could care less if you give him, if you give the church your money. He could really care less if you do a good deed or whatever the case may be. He really just cares about your heart, posture and as long as you're right in your part, yes, you're wide behind it, right?
Speaker 1:So like if you're gone and doing good things because you want to look good, you know, like the whole Pharisee thing, like the heart behind the Pharisees Anytime they did something it was so that they could be recognized for their generosity or yeah, yeah, absolutely so much going on in this one verse. Honestly, like again we've already kind of mentioned like Cain bringing some, not really putting much thought into it into it. I think what's really really amazing about this description is this is all happened before God gave any commands. Like he didn't command Cain and Abel to offer up anything to him. Like there was no like give me your first fruits. It was.
Speaker 1:They did it out of well, abel did it out of faith and you know our pastor gave a sermon on this not too long ago and referenced Hebrews 11, 4, which talks about Abel's faith and how his faith impacted his actions and his choices. So his faith in God, his heart posture, as you said, was to honor God. He put some thought into it. I want to honor the Lord, I want to please Him. How can I do that? The fat was the choicest, the best, the most flavor, and then, yeah, that firstborn, the first fruits. So God enables faithfulness in his actions. It pleased God so much.
Speaker 1:It says the Lord looked on him with favor, and that word favor essentially translates to respect. Like God respected his heart, respected the offering that he brought to him. It moved him in such a way that he then did make it a commandment you will give me your first fruit, or you know you should give me your first fruits as an offering. And I just find that that wasn't like wow. You know your actions, your choice to bring God your first fruits, like to honor him and again, it's not be like so that I can get the honor, but I want to honor you, lord, and everything that I do here it is and how he reciprocates that, how he looks upon you with favor and blesses you, like you took Abel's actions and turned around and made it. This is what I want, this is the standard that's been set, this is what honors me, this is what brings me joy, this is what pleases me. Please continue to do this, yeah.
Speaker 2:Oh man, that's so good. Oh, and then, of course, cain gets bitter. Oh, my goodness, cain. Cain, tell us. Is it not crazy, though, to think that, I mean God just created humankind not too long ago? I mean, I think it says somewhere in here oh, they were.
Speaker 1:I think Adam was 30 when Seth was born, so Cain would have already been like grown up, right yeah.
Speaker 2:So probably within like 100 years of creation, right, or creation of man, right yeah of creation right, or creation of man right, yeah, and look how quickly sin has, has grown or transformed into something more. You know it started with just disobeying and then blaming, lying, shame, guilt, and then now it's full-fledged jealousy, hatred, anger, murder. You know all in such a short span. And this is second generation from the people that god first created, right. So that's quite scary when you really think about it, like wow, what a profound effect that sin had to where the second generation, the first people born ever on this earth, one of them kills the other.
Speaker 1:Yeah I mean. So I love that you bring that up, because this was a.
Speaker 1:I'm getting goosebumps thinking about it so it goes back to that curse, right, that prophecy that god gave the serpent, that whole the seed war. We're already seeing it unfold in the very first, like you said, that second generation yeah, I will put enmity between you and the woman and between your offspring and hers. So, like I actually highlighted most of verse six because Cain had a choice right here, his response was to instant, like instead of learning from Abel and seeing how much Abel's actions pleased the Lord, and then being like, oh, I should have done that, like okay, I'm sorry, lord, like let me go get my best crops and bring them to you as an offering, he totally could have done that and guess what? The Lord would have been pleased. He would have favored Cain as well. He would have given him the same response that he gave Abel.
Speaker 1:He told him that. He told him that in six he did Exactly. Yes, he's like why are you so angry? Right, if you know, if you just do, you know what's pleasing to me, you will be accepted, right, yeah. And then he even warns him.
Speaker 2:Yes, exactly to me. You will be accepted right, yeah, and then he even warns him yes, exactly, hovering over your shoulder, like you must rule it or it will rule you.
Speaker 1:Exactly literally, black and white, plain as day that was so like that hit me in the face like whoa. Because, yes, he literally is telling king what he can do, like. I see that you're, I see that you didn't like this, but when you do what is what does he say? When you do what is right, you'll be accepted, but when you do what is wrong, sin is literally creeping at your door. And I actually went a little bit farther and looked at that word desire. Well, also.
Speaker 1:So the word sin in our book, I think it says it desires to have you. But when you look at the KJV, it actually says he in reference to sin, gotcha. So it's like he sin Satan. And then that word desire, so it's only used three times in the Bible, in that translation, genesis 3.16, when it was talking about when God was telling Eve you will desire your husband and he will rule over you. So there's that desire between that longing, that outstretched longing for your husband, that kind of desire. Then here in Genesis 4, 7, sin is literally like desiring you. It has its arm stretched out. Sin, if you think about it in terms of he, like the KJV says that's Satan, right and sin is from Satan.
Speaker 1:He's constantly trying to get you to sin so literally, like I just perceive this like outstretched, like crazy desire to have you yeah and then in song of songs, or songs of solomon, in verse 7, 10, and again talking about a husband and wife, and I think it's the husband desiring the wife or the wife desiring the husband, or something like that. But that, so this word desire is not just like, oh, I want that, no, it's like this longing, this yearning, this craving for sin. That's how sin is in your life, that's what. That's how Satan pursues you in that negative way, in that sinful way. Yeah, in that negative way, in that sinful way. But then I love that God says it desires to have you, but you must rule over it, like he literally is, like you must rule over it. He's giving Cain that permission that you can overcome it. You must take control.
Speaker 1:And I think that's where a lot of Christians, if we don't know who we are in Christ, we can allow sin to rule over us, to rule in our lives, or we can allow that spiritual oppression or whatever the case may be. But if we know who we are in Christ and the power that he has given us and who we are as Christians, we have power to rule over sin, to rule over spiritual attack. We can make it go away and not in our strength and in God's strength by submitting to him right and resisting the devil? Yeah, oh man, yeah, so that that word rule mashal, to rule over, have dominion, governor, reign or have power. So it's like you know, again, just being able to have that power over sin.
Speaker 1:And it's almost sad that Cain it was right there for him, you know he was Lord was literally telling him dude, you can turn this around, yeah, this is what you need to do, but then Cain decides not good around. Yeah, this is what you need to do, but then Cain decides not good enough, no, I just want to act on my anger and my jealousy. So what does he do? Get rid of them.
Speaker 2:In God's favor, yes, and there's nothing in between. Either it's just God saying do what is right, all will be good, do what is wrong. Sin's right there waiting for you, kind of thing, or he is right there waiting for you. And then king's like, okay, abel, let's go to the field, like yep, oh, yes.
Speaker 2:And I think that the big thing that stuck out to me about this again is it kind of reverts back to what we talked about last episode, where God went on to the garden after Adam and Eve were hiding, you know, and they were shamed. God was like where are you? You know, where are you? Why are you hiding? Here I am, let's clean this up, kind of thing.
Speaker 2:And when we talked about how important it is for us to lead our families or, you know, not lead as the women, but I mean make the right choices for our kids, like, I mean, canes pretty much did the exact kind of response that adam and eve did when they first sent, like god is like where is your brother? And he's like I don't know, you know, just immediately, I don't know. No, no, um, accountability for what he did. He just kind of puts it off and, um, it just shows that, that weight. You know the effect of what they did, right right Back to that generational thing that we were talking about and just obviously King wasn't there watching them model the behavior, but it trickled down to the next line.
Speaker 1:And he did the same thing, alluded to this a little bit with how sin progresses, how you know that initial sin of disobeying God and and then how that kind of led to grew into like anger and jealousy and bitterness and hatred and murder. Yeah, kind of similar here, like his response isn't just like not taking accountability, it was straight up like almost defiant and with an attitude like what am I, my brother's keeper? Like right, you're talking to the lord.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, yeah, definitely. It's not only, like you said, the act of sitting, it's the act of being defined about it yeah, yep.
Speaker 1:so then, oh man the Lord, the Lord cursing Cain here, you know, which totally deserved, right? Yeah, I think it's very like Cain's consequence was very personal to him.
Speaker 1:This was the first time that I was seeing those parallels. So Cain worked the ground, abel raised livestock. What does the Lord take away from Cain? He takes away his ability to work the ground. He takes away what he knew, what he was good at, how he provided for the family, what he was good at, how he provided for the family, his contribution, the things that he did every day. He was like all right, you are no longer. If you work the ground, it's not going to produce anything for you. And then he basically banishes him and he curses him to be a restless wanderer in our Bible.
Speaker 1:But when you look at the KJV, it actually uses the words fugitive and vagabond. So when you look at those root words fugitive, nua, gone away, removed, scatter to and fro, wander up and down, and then vagabond is essentially very similar nude, we disappear, wandering. So not only is god taking away cain's ability to produce food, do what he knew and like was good at, you know, he's also exiling him essentially. But not just okay, leave here, it's no, you're gonna wander right the earth. You're never gonna have a permanent home. Yeah, you're not gonna have this. You're gonna constantly be searching for the. You know the place that feels like home, but nothing is ever gonna feel content. You're gonna constantly be in this wandering.
Speaker 2:I'm sorry. Okay, I'm getting proud of you. Okay, I'm sorry. I'm trying not to pointedly look at you oh my god, it's hilarious. I'm trying not to point at the lady oh my gosh, it's hilarious. I'm like Let the Lord cook. Oh my goodness, a little less spice. Oh, more paprika.
Speaker 1:Lord, less tapatio over here it burns. Oh my goodness, that's so funny. If you don't know what we're laughing about, refer back to episode one.
Speaker 2:Pretty much oh my goodness. Hey, we were just talking about how we're not worried about followers, we're not worried about listeners, we just want to help someone. Yeah, that someone is one of us glory to god. Thank you, lord.
Speaker 1:Oh my gosh thank you for what you're doing yes, okay, anyways so yeah, it's a cane being the wanderer yep, okay, so anyways, next we have.
Speaker 2:So next verse no, but that would be especially um back then. Because on that same token I don't know, I'm jumping up just a tiny bit, but not trying to get too far ahead, but on the same token of that, you know right away, cain's like oh my gosh, you know, please don't do that to me. Anyone who finds me will kill me. So when I read that I was like, well, whoa, hang on, wait a minute. There really shouldn't be anyone else there right now. Right, and I think we had talked about that in one of the previous episodes where we were wondering if you know, God created more people. So then I did look into that because I was like, okay, does that mean that there's more people out there?
Speaker 2:And everything that I found pretty much shut that down and was like the bible still like states very clearly that everyone is descended from Adam and Eve. Um, and I could be wrong, I could have maybe not looked in the right places or whatever, but from what I found it was very clear about that. But that kind of threw me for a loop because I was like, wait a minute, there should have only been like that many, even like, of course it does say in here that they had other children. But I'm like it shouldn't, I don't know. It brings you back to the whole. Everybody lived a long time, you know, and obviously Kane knew that there was going to be others from his own family. But I just wanted to touch on that really quick because I was like, wait a minute when he finds me like there's nobody else there.
Speaker 1:Well you, actually bring up a really good point, and I didn't catch that, but I'm thinking because there was a point when we get to Seth, I think the way that this chapter reads it's like, because it is kind of in a sequence of events, it's almost like you kind of automatically assume that Cain was the first one, but it doesn't actually say that. In fact it says I have brought forth a man. And then when you look at, there's a little D next to it in my Bible and it says or have acquired. So it makes you kind of wonder you know, was Cain the firstborn? And if not, I mean maybe he was the firstborn male, right? You know what I mean? Yeah, because there's a reason why we're talking about Cain and we haven't quite gotten to the names yet, and that will come up, I think.
Speaker 1:And we have to remember who the author of this book is. So it's Moses, right, and when he talks about the names he's describing a very particular set of people that to us kind of seems like, okay, they lived in tents, or okay, they made brass and iron, or you know. But to the Israelites who he was writing this to, they likely would have known who he was referring to Like, oh, this group of people came from this line and this group of people came from this line, right, and that would have been significant, because you have to think, at the time of this writing, they're already in the desert, wandering around. They were persecuted in Egypt and they faced, you know, other trials and issues. So, and you know their patriarchs, the 12 tribes of Israel, like they had, all you know, abraham had moved from place to place and there were other people, and you know all of that to say, instead of thinking of this as, like, cain was the first, and then there was Abel and then there was Seth, maybe it was actually well, no, they weren't. Maybe Cain was the firstborn man, because of what Eve says here, but maybe there was a few women that were born before him, and then maybe there were a few that were born between Cain and Abel, and then Abel just so happened to be the, you know the one that Cain killed because of this jealousy, this rivalry, and then, later on, when it talks about Seth, you know, and Adam being 130 years old, it doesn't actually say that they didn't have children between, you know, cain, abel and Seth.
Speaker 1:So, yeah, I think it more reflected his heart really honestly when I think about it, because I did consider that passage and I was like it's interesting that God called him out on his killing his brother and his first reaction was like whoa, this I just don't think it's a little harsh. God, like if I, you banish me without an ability to provide for myself, other people are going to just kill me, like I'm not going to be able to do anything for anyone because you've taken away my ability to do what I knew how to do, and they're going to kill me. Like he's worried about himself. That's selfishness, right, it's not? Oh, I messed up. I killed my brother. I should repent. I should like yeah, no, it's as hard as like me, my life, I'm going to be killed, kind of thing. Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1:And then I've had him on that note. You know, when God is cursing Cain, he says when you mark the ground, it will no longer yield its crops for you. You will be a restless wanderer on the earth. And then when Cain responds, he's like not only are you driving me from the land, and I will be hidden from your presence, I will be a restless wanderer on the earth. So he adds that little piece there.
Speaker 1:I did highlight that because I'm like, oh, because in my mind I was like, okay, god's not walking physically beside them anymore, like in the garden, but he's still communicating with them, he still has relationship with them. And when I thought about presence, I was thinking okay, what? In what way does that mean? Are they meaning that? Cause I, you know? Again, I'm thinking, though, we had separation from God. You know, we needed Jesus as the bridge. God still communicated with the prophets and with his people throughout the Old Testament. But that word presence, when you look it up, it's actually, I think, face. Where is it? Yes, I will be filled with your presence. In the KJV it says face. So when you think about that blessing that God gives, I think it's in Deuteronomy.
Speaker 1:I want to say it's you know it's the blessing that our pastor always says over us. So you know, turn your face towards them. So in my mind I'm thinking that you know God's face turned towards you is a reference to like his blessings in your life, right? So Cain very clearly understands that like God is yes, he's removing his blessings from him. What did you think about the mark of Cain?
Speaker 2:I don't know. I know this matters.
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 1:Well, I don't know. I don't know that it matters so much, as it's more of an example of God's mercy. You know, even now, mercy, you know even now, because Cain is telling him I'm afraid I'm going to be killed because of the consequence that you're giving me. And God is like all right, well then, I will make it so that no one can kill you. But yeah, that mark, and I'm like is it a physical mark? Where on him is it? Is it you know? Can people see it and just know. Is it a physical mark? Where on him is it? Is it you know? Can people see it and just know. Is it more of a like, just look about cane, that people are like I don't want nothing to do with that. Or, you know again, is it something like this physical?
Speaker 1:So when I looked up the word, it's off a signal, literally or figuratively, as a flag, beacon or omen, and then obviously like the vengeance seven times. So if anyone kills, were to kill him, then that vengeance would be, and it's almost like I don't know. I feel like this is kind of god like king was the first one to introduce murder into the world. So then you know that vengeance, it's almost like I mean, I don't know. I feel like if god wanted to prevent murder, he totally would have and could have. So I don't necessarily think the mark was to prevent further murder, but I think it really was more of a gracious, merciful, yeah. Response to king's fear. Yeah, because at the end of the day, god still loved him, right? Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:Well, it just shows that he again kind of what he demonstrated with Adam and Eve, like he cursed them but still showed them mercy, still was gracious, yeah, and he's like Cain. I laid it out for you, I laid it out for you, dude. Yeah, told Cain, I laid it out for you, I laid it out for you, dude. Yeah, told you what to do. You didn't listen, you killed your brother. But I still love you and I'm still going to protect you.
Speaker 1:Yeah, what a good God he's there. You know, anytime we mess up, he's still there, being like hey, yeah, you messed up, but this is what you can do about it. And then we get to choose. We get to choose to listen, repent. That word repent literally means to quite literally like turn around, completely turn around from what you were doing, what you were thinking, what road you were on.
Speaker 1:Whatever the case may be, Turn around towards God and follow Him and trust Him, and then everything that happens thereafter is a direct consequence of the choice that we make. You know whether it's good or bad, blessings or curses. So, yeah, so then king gets to go live in nod, which is um described as east of eden, which we kind of talked about in episode two.
Speaker 2:Yes, yes, do you have a map? I don't. Well, I did look, I did look at maps.
Speaker 1:Actually I did, yes. So I kind of went back and I was like, ok, we speculated, and I want to emphasize that word speculate, because there's no way confirmed. You know, I haven't even done research to see what the actual scholars, what they think where Eden is, and that they probably have their own hypothesis. But from what we kind of gathered, from what the bible said and maps and all that, I think we came to the speculated conclusion that e eden could have been somewhere around modern day turkey or armenia, so east of those two countries, can you guess?
Speaker 2:it's eerily like coincidental oh, is it give me a second? Oh, I'm gonna get it wrong. I'm gonna get it wrong.
Speaker 1:I'm gonna say the wrong word because I tend to get them confused, I put both of them down. If you're thinking of what I think you're thinking of, are you thinking what I'm thinking of? Are you thinking?
Speaker 2:of the sermon I, yes, oh, okay.
Speaker 1:I like to buy a vowel. I would like to phone a friend please, Is it okay?
Speaker 2:it's not Israel, because that was God's chosen plan. It's the other one, right?
Speaker 1:Who's been like a constant player in the wars iraq, yes, iraq and iran, iran, that's the one that I am right, all right, very good that's amazing, yes, isn't that amazing.
Speaker 1:So, like here we have kane, who we have pretty much through his actions and his struggle with sin, basically direct the linked him to your offspring will come against her offspring, right, um. So he gets sent to the air, the land of nod. He settles kind of in nod, which again linking that to iran and iraq, which their religion is primarily muslim. Right so, and that's getting you know, gosh, you could rabbit hole down that, because you know, when you trace down the roots of, and we'll get there, probably later on in genesis, but when you you dive down and you follow the roots of how that religion came to be from Muhammad. Muhammad was like their first prophet, it is literally. Their eschatology is oh no, that's the wrong word. I think that's the study of end times, that's not the right word. But their faith is based on a counterfeit to literally our Bible.
Speaker 1:Like it is so similar. It is again, just eerily coincidental. It's so similar. They fight the way that they fight because they believe that their faith is the true faith. Their religion is what's right. Their God, their Allah, is the actual God of creation and their prophets and Muhammad was, you know. They actually acknowledge Jesus as a prophet and he plays a part in their end time story. It's very profound and we'll have to get into it, I think, a little bit later, when it does come up in further chapters. But I just find it so like Satan's working here. It's so like Satan's working here. It's connected. It's connected through the entire Bible up until modern day times and what's going on today. Yeah, it's. This is where I geek out For sure.
Speaker 2:I mean, this is the very first book in the Bible about the very beginning of our world.
Speaker 1:Yeah, well, and then if you do look at it in Old Testament times because, I mean, a lot of things have happened, it's. You know, back then they weren't really a nation I don't remember the name, they became a nation, but their religion, muslim, their Muslim religion, didn't come until oh gosh, what was it? 580? I don't remember the exact time. It was well after christ, like well after. So when you look at it from old testament times, but when you look at the map at the back, the babylonians that was kind of their whole region, so like modern day iran, iran and iraq, like assyrians, babylonians, like all of those that, those nations, those people that were in constant conflict with the Israelites, they all lived in that area. And again you have to think this is like pre-flood, right, so God did come and or not come, but you know he flooded the earth. Essentially, we'll get into that in the next chapter but.
Speaker 1:I'm kind of trying to keep that in mind too, because it's like, okay, this is significant, but also like we have to remember the flood did come and then we started from Noah and his family, but it almost makes you wonder where he wound up and how. That is just history repeats itself, right, and how that is just history repeats itself, Right. I think I mentioned that in the introduction to Genesis, where we have patterns, right, it's a constant pattern, both from the Israelites' actions and what God does to sanctify them, to keep them from preventing that cross-contamination with the godly line and the sinful line so that Jesus could come, and then Satan's actions, again repetitive, constantly, like repeating things. So I just find it very interesting that it's not only in history, historical events, but geographically as well.
Speaker 2:Yeah, oh man, oh, it's so interesting. I know, wow, yeah, so, oh man, oh, it's so interesting. I know it's hard to not dive into all of it because I'm so relevant in coming up here, but we want to talk about when it comes up, you know, for people right yet or it can get very following along, but yeah, it's like, oh, my goodness, when you, when you read certain things or you know certain things and you start to pick up on, you know, um, the, the cross references in the Bible and your connections, yeah, the connections, cross-references.
Speaker 1:It's so I really enjoy going back and reading this, like after. So I do encourage that you guys, like you know, do your own reading If you, if God is leading you down, you know a pathway where you're uncovering things and you're wanting to go back Like, please, it's fun. The Bible is so interesting and it's so much more. You know, I feel like people are out there searching for adventure and they're searching for like excitement and a good storyline. And I'm sorry, I just feel like when you actually read the Bible and you do these deep studies and you understand what's actually going down on not just the physical level but a spiritual level, like this is the most amazing like good versus evil story ever and it's not, it's not boring, when you, when you dive into it and you uncover, you know what's going on in the background, under, in between these verses, and God is putting on your heart like truth and wisdom and insight and giving you that it's it really is exciting and it's it almost is also encouraging.
Speaker 1:Especially in these times, I think it's easy to get defeated and discouraged when you look around at the state of the world and the people that are, you know, rejecting God, rejecting Christianity, rejecting Jesus. As a Christian, I can get very defeating, but when you think about the awesome power of God here that we're seeing time and time again and that we have he has given us that power I feel like a warrior. Yeah you, thank you, lord. Thank you lord. And not by myself, like with god, you know, living in the. Anyway. Yeah, yeah, total, huge segue. Sorry, no, I like it. So where are we at from there?
Speaker 1:so yeah, oh the names to the names, the names, all these names are coming through now, not gonna lie, first couple times I read. Well, I say first couple times probably the second or third time I've read this, but oh, the genealogies man it's like why does this matter?
Speaker 1:well, they're so hard to pronounce. They are, yeah, you really have to like, and we pronounce it differently than they did back then. So it's fun to kind of look it up and attempt not to read off something. So, and they're also similar, yeah, so I'm gonna start with. I think it's enosh, enoch, enosh. No, because then I read enoch I did too. Maybe it is en Enoch.
Speaker 2:It's probably not.
Speaker 1:No, I think you're right, because Enoch, I think, is actually spelled S-H, which you know, seth's child. I think he names Enoch, which again, very interesting parallel, but I'll get to that. Yeah, so Enoch, of course. I hear the word Enoch or the name Enoch and I think of Noah's grandfather, great-grandfather, I think it was his grandfather. Right, yeah, I think of him. So I'm like, oh, enoch, is that the same guy? It's not, this is a completely different.
Speaker 1:So we're talking about Cain's line now, right, right, all right. So Enoch, from the root word, oh gosh, connect figuratively to initiate or discipline, train up, which I'm like oh, okay, so like we're training up this, your child, to basically take on the same sin patterns as you. Right, right, like where I went to, yes, edoc then has a son named irad, which translates to fugitive, oh my goodness, from the word Arad to sequester itself, fugitive also of a Canaanite and an Israelite, or Eret. So from there, I'm like oh, that was like a subgroup or people, so this word used to describe when a Canaanite and an Israelite came together as a family. They created a subgroup of people known as the Eretz.
Speaker 1:So far, we've got nothing good coming from these names right, we've got a fugitive we've got an initiator discipline, dedicate train up, which can be great, but we know from Cain's line it's not going to be trained up in the right way. Right, it's going to be trained up to basically be like you know, kind of arrogant, sinful person. So then he has a son named mehujao. Nice, thank you. I'm pretty sure there's a lot of husks and husks in there, but and it translates to smitten of god, and not in a good way, smitten, I think oh, lovey, lovey the kissy, kissy, right, no, it's like smiten, smoten, maybe it's smiten maybe I'm supposed to say smiten not smitten, oh wow smiten of god as in strike, with a firm blow from the root, makah to erase, abolish, blot out or destroy wow, right, I've been messing around
Speaker 1:naming these kids. Oh yeah, no, that like this one, again, like this, is line after line. So like in, enoch was king's son, irad was enoch's son, but, like you can again, it's that snowball effect, right, it's continuing this sinful line, this ungodly line is continuing down each generation. And then there's a little shred of hope Methuselah, which means man of God, man who is of God, but I mean, I don't know, it doesn't really say much more about him. So I'm not going to make judgments, like he was a bad guy and, you know, maybe not these other guys either, but anyway.
Speaker 1:So then he has Lamech, and Lamech, literally there's not really a translation for his word, there was. So all of these names, they're also described as antedilurian patriarchs, which basically, when you look up that word antedilurian, I think, is how you say, that it's before the flood. So these were all like ancestors of people that lived before the flood. Okay, and they're referred to in that way. I mean, in a nutshell, each one of those names, with the exception of, you know, man who is of God, most of them are not really rooted in good things.
Speaker 2:So, again, just emphasizing that sin pattern that ungodly line that just runs basically in rebellion to God and in rebellion to Jesus' line it's not the line you know like you said, that counterfeit.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's interesting to see the parallel. I love how Moses lists Cain's line and then he turns around and lists well, I think, yeah, from Noah to from Adam to Noah. So then he'll list the line, you know, the actual godly line, and again it's. We read it as like, oh, there was Cain, then there was Abel, cain killed Abel, so then they had Seth, like there's three, that's all there is. But again, remembering that this is it references, by the time he had Seth he was 130, so there could have been other people. But the emphasis is on the two different lines. Why does Caneline matter? That's the offspring of Satan, basically, like that sin, that breeding of that sin, tendency, that rebellion to God, like you said. And then obviously, the godly line that God chose as the line to bring forth the Messiah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, absolutely. It's one of those sections that I mean myself as a new reader and I'm sure other readers. They gloss over it because it's overwhelming. You don't know how to say the names. It's especially in the next chapter. There is quite a long line. Yeah, I may not be able to go through each one of those.
Speaker 1:Although our aunt sent us a really good video on that, which I may.
Speaker 2:I may just kind of briefly go over because it really was like whoa lord yeah yeah, yeah, and I'll include that video.
Speaker 1:So you know we don't want to like copyright anything like. You know, right, claim something as our own. So definitely going to give credit where credit's due. But yeah, we'll talk.
Speaker 2:Well, maybe we can talk about that on the next one yeah, oh man I'm excited, but yeah, just every, every single thing in the bible is significant oh my gosh you don't know why it really is. Something that I used to gloss over is now so relevant and, like you said, even to this day, so it's really neat. But yes, can you say it lamek? I think it's lamek.
Speaker 1:But I I'm taking that from the chosen because I think that guy's name was lameck. They named the guy that they built the field for his name was lameck, so I'm pronouncing it that way, okay, yeah.
Speaker 2:So again here we see, and and it's it's mentioned, not really in a way that would stand out a whole lot, but, okay, I already forgot how we're saying it Lamech, yeah, lamech married two women Right off the gate, like going against God's original design, and it actually says in our Bible that this is the first time that anyone had opposed or rebelled against God's original plan for marriage between a husband and a wife. So here it is again, just that bred into sin tendency or you know, sin in general, and it's grown even further. You know, at Bruticane when he murdered and as far as we know that was the first murder for a mankind to another mankind and then now we have Lamech doing the same thing and distorting God's plan for marriage. So I thought that was just again, like you said, it just kind of repeats itself in a way, and the sin is just ever evolving and growing into more areas of God's plan.
Speaker 1:Yes, I think emphasizing here exactly this is the first instance of polygamy that we see right, and I think it's really just to emphasize again how distorted that each generation is getting, how farther and farther and farther away from God and and a righteous life. You know that that society is growing towards Cause. At this point. I mean we have many, many people, you know. I mean this is one line. And if we assume that Adam and Eve had other children, you know, there we don't know how many people were here.
Speaker 1:But I mean again, it just puts that emphasis on that ungodly line and how far each generation was getting, and then his children. So then I don't know. So this is kind of what I referenced before. When Moses is describing father of those who live in Tansy Marie's livestock, to us that doesn't tell us much about who he's talking about, but to the Israelites they would have known who he was referring to and who their patriarch, who he's attributing their patriarch to. It's this Jabal. And then same thing with the Jubal, and then same thing with the Jubal.
Speaker 1:The video that our aunt sent us about the music. She brings this up because we see here Jubal is the father of all who played stringed instruments and pipes. So this line music and I'm paraphrasing from what I saw in the video which I will include Again, this is not my idea, is that my idea? She is saying that music, musical instruments, came from Cain's line, because this Jubal is the one, his, he's the father of all who created instruments and started making music. Basically, right, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:And then you keep going. Then you have two ball cane, which basically is just it translates as son of cane or something like that Something related to like I'm related to cane like, so proud we're proud to be of cane's line right. And then when he create, he forged all kinds of tools out of bronze and iron. First thing that comes to my mind is weapons. I mean, we know that this is an aggressive, sinful line. You know bread and anger and jealousy and bitterness and rage and how they respond to conflict, as we probably see I don't know if he you know, with lannik and his right his comment right, yeah, yeah, clearly he um also kills a man and it's it's interesting how he justifies it.
Speaker 2:You know, it's not just I am, and as far as we know, king didn't do that. He didn't sit there and say, oh god, you bestowed favor on him and that made me upset. So I did. I mean god was like, hey, why are you doing this? Just stay on the righteous path. But he's literally justifying why he killed the man. I have killed a man for wounding me, a young man for injuring me. It says it twice, why this was well-deserved, you know why it was okay, why he was going to do it. And then he goes on to and I kind of looked into this could either be like a he has a very corrupt understanding of god, you know, and and he's proclaiming that he is respect you're not respecting. But he's acknowledging that there is a god and he kind of has this distorted view of him claiming this, this protection that god put on cain, saying, oh well, you know, if cain bought it like, I'm gonna get it and buy a bunch more you know god's protection.
Speaker 2:And then b he's just flat out being defiant in this statement and basically celebrating his own evil of like. Well, he's being like boastful about what he did.
Speaker 1:Yes, I think that's probably his heart right there. Yeah, and I do think that you can read this a couple of different ways like that, but he's bragging about it. Essentially, you know, he's like hey, wives, listen, listen to me, listen to what I did. I killed this guy. Just for what was it? Wounding me, a young man, for injuring me, you know?
Speaker 1:And then turning around and saying if Cain is avenged seven times, then Lamech like refers to himself in the third person Right Lamech 77 times, lamex 77 times. The number's significant and it's different from 70 times 7, which is so 7 is like in the Bible. The number 7 is significant because it's representative of completeness. 70 times 7 is like perfect completeness, so like infinite, limitless right. So I'm not quite sure if this is referenced in the same way. Jesus says 70 times seven when referring to forgiving someone. He's saying here's 77. But I think it's close enough that I think the heart is clear.
Speaker 1:Here he is boasting about killing another man, he's arrogant, he's proud of his actions and now he's also essentially kind of blaspheming. You have to remember the mark that God gave. Cain was done out of mercy and in response to Cain's expression of the fear of his life. God put the mark to make sure that Cain would not be killed and that was a loving, gracious gesture out of response to Cain's admitted fear.
Speaker 1:This is quite clearly like, well, I killed a man, so I did it just because he hurt me, and if Cain was avenged seven times, I'm going to be even better kind of thing, you know, and again distorting what God had intended for, an act of great Like. Again, this line could have looked back and been like but God was still good, god still put this mark so that he wouldn't be killed, that he, you know, he, we would have a chance. But they squash it Like they just they take it for granted and they take it as far as blaspheming, it almost like throwing it back in God's face, like what are you going to do now, god? Right, kind of. You know what I mean? Yeah, surely I am even better than Cain.
Speaker 2:So, I'm going to be avenged more. I wonder too, if that number 77 is kind of, you know, like you said, the whole counterfeit line. So it's not 70 times 7. It's 77. Right, so it's still. It's so similar, so similar, but does not have the same significance, doesn't have the same importance that God puts on it. It's their own spin, right, exactly, yeah oh man so good so yeah.
Speaker 1:so then I mean basically the you know, we get to the end of this description of cain's line, and I really think moses was trying to emphasize how evil things were getting in the world.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you know and how worse yeah.
Speaker 1:And then he kind of ends with setting up chapter five, or it's not, he didn't write it.
Speaker 2:It's like oh chapter five.
Speaker 1:You know he's transitioning from OK, here's the ungodly line. Now we're going to move towards God's line, the one that he chose.
Speaker 1:So, yeah, the inner Seth. Yeah, so 425, eve gives birth to a son and named him Seth. Again, she says God has granted me another child in place of Abel, since Cain killed him, in place of Abel, since Cain killed him, she is again giving God acknowledgement, acknowledging his work, that God has gifted her with Seth. The name Seth, sheath, which means substituted, oh, wow, uh-huh, from the root sheath, which had a lot of meanings, but basically set, made, lay, put, appoint or regard. Clearly, god has appointed the Messiah to come through Seth and Eve knew it. And it makes me wonder if Abel, so Seth, was a replacement to Abel. So I'm almost. I think this is speculation, but I think had Cain not killed Abel, christ would have come through Abel's line. Yeah, there is a reason why Satan wanted Cain to kill Abel. There is a reason why Satan wanted Cain to kill Abel. There was a reason why Seth was appointed as the substitute, quite literally in his name, to replace Abel Dang. Yeah, wow, that's speculation. Again, that's just my thoughts. Couldn't be completely honest, but anyway.
Speaker 1:Well, I mean, it almost says it right there God has granted me another child in place of abel since cain killed him right, so it just gives me the like I just get so giddy because I'm like hey, satan, you just died and god's like shah right here's, so here's seth, like my will, will be done right. Nothing is going to come against what I want done and this.
Speaker 2:this is just. It's something that continues. It's a pattern throughout the Bible. Like you said, satan always thinks that he's going to thwart God's plans and finally dig the hammer in the nail, and God is always a million steps ahead.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so Seth has a son, names him Enosh, which, when you look at the parallel Enoch, Enosh Very confusing right out the gate.
Speaker 1:Yep. So again, just kind of like a parallel, and we'll get into his genealogy in the next chapter and his name just means son of seth, and then that, that last section of this verse. At that time people began to call on the name of the lord. I was like, okay, people, which people are we talking about? Because I thought, oh, that's a good thing, maybe even like some of the family members in King's line were like it's getting nuts in here. We need God, let's return to God. But no, I truly think that this is Seth's line, this is the godly line, who are being loyal to God, who are depending on him, who are calling on the name of the Lord. And sets the stage essentially for Noah, yeah, lord. And sets the stage essentially for noah, yeah, the righteous man that god decides to save because of, because of his faithfulness. Yeah, yeah. Well, that's all I got, man.
Speaker 2:I don't even know. We're probably pushing two hours are we really? But what are we at?
Speaker 1:I don't know. I always feel like it's longer than it is and I hit stop and a lot to unpack all right. Yeah, I know, I was trying to kind of look for one.
Speaker 2:Maybe I mean it's kind of cool to surprise the ice with them. Yeah, that was fine.
Speaker 1:Yeah, especially when we we felt the same one right, okay, yeah, no, we don't have, we don't have to rush through it yeah, yeah, I think that's good.
Speaker 2:I somewhat have one in mind, but which one are you thinking you're gonna? Okay, let's go back. I just said, uh, I'm kind of thinking about um four, six, of course, but that is a long one. I don't know if I can pull it off. Oh, you can do. Can do it. Oh wait, well, actually, well four six and four seven, oh yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:Well, maybe four seven, maybe seven, because it's kind of like, if you do what is right, right, yeah, yeah and then the sin crouching at your door Like that's just so big.
Speaker 2:I just imagine this awful ugly Satan.
Speaker 1:Creature like creature like working in the darkness, you know, by the door and how you can.
Speaker 2:Then he says but you must go over it, yeah, and so I like that one. I think I'm gonna do that. That's good. Sorry, I know I totally changed what I just said.
Speaker 1:Oh, I'm good um, I'm trying to think about that one. I don't know I like that. You know I might just do the same one.
Speaker 1:Yeah, memorize the same scripture yeah, yeah, and that's really profound, yeah, because I mean I think out of all of this, like there's a bunch of good stuff in here, but I think, when it comes down to the tools, you know pulling scripture out as a sword against the enemy, knowing that, you know having a visual of sin's desire for us, but God quite literally saying you must rule over it. You have, I have given you the tools that you need. I've done it already. Jesus has done it already.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:He's come, he's defeated, death in the grave. We have power in him to rule over it. Yeah, literally. So. Yeah, great, cool, awesome, well, thank you guys. Yay, another episode down. I cannot believe. What is this five? I think we see that in episode.
Speaker 2:What episode is this, yeah?
Speaker 1:episode five. So we're doing our best to get these kind of down to a routine right.
Speaker 2:Right, as we said before, the scheduling can be a challenge. Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but they're with us. Yes, yeah, well, you know, at the very minimum, hopefully at least once a month, but we are trying to dial it in and get it at least every two weeks. But thank you guys for tuning in. Please feel free to check out the videos that I'm going to include in this episode. If you have any questions or anything, your thoughts, reviews, we'll take it all. Yeah, bring it on. Yeah, let us know. If you want a t-shirt says kick, rap, sing.
Speaker 2:yeah, we should take a poll and see how many people would. Um would want that.
Speaker 1:Yes, awesome okay, so shoot next. Next episode, chapter five, all about Adam to Noah. All right, you guys. Thank you. We'll see you next time. Until then, keep praying and stay fed by the word of God. Bye guys, bye everyone.
